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Chat about edge cases 20070719


Yoshito Umaoka <y.umaoka@gmail.com>Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 3:26 PM
To: markus.icu@gmail.com
3:11 PM Yoshito: Markus?
3:13 PM me: hi
 Yoshito: Not sure I'm understanding what you are talking about - getOffset()
  My point is - time overlap could happen standard -> standard
3:14 PM or
  dayligh -> daylight
 me: hm, i had thought that we were talking about the same thing...
3:15 PM Yoshito: ok.
  so..
 me: let's assume DST ends on november 5. so on nov05 until 02:00 we have DST, but then we "fall back" to 01:00 std time.
3:16 PM Yoshito: I understand the case.
  I'm talking about -
  standard offset change -
 me: now with getOffset(UDate=nov05 01:30, local) i want to specify whether it's the earlier (DST) or the later (std) point in time
 Yoshito: both before/after are standard time.
3:17 PM me: yes, before nov05 01:00 it's DST, and after nov05 02:00 it's std time
 Yoshito: this is rare case.. but I think there are some examples.
 me: unambiguously
 Yoshito: no no... I meant
3:18 PM for example, a country decided to change standard time from UTC+4:00 to UTC+5:00
  no DST is involved
  but - overlap happens.
3:19 PM oops.. my example is wrong.. I meant UTC+5:00 to UTC+4:00
 me: ah
3:20 PM or like the counties in Indiana which are changing between Central and Eastern time several times in a row
  you are right, there could be ambiguities there, too
 Yoshito: so.. what you want to specify is either time before transition is used or time after the transition is used when ambigious case.
  1st or 2nd iteration
3:21 PM usually DST -> STD
  but, STD -> STD
  DST -> DST
 me: now i get it. same parameter, but with expanded semantics
  and named to express those
 Yoshito: ok.. now we are on the smae page :)
3:23 PM Anyway, the idea is great - we need a way to allow user to controll the behavior of ambigious local time.
 me: would you like to reply again and clarify, or would you like me to explain to the list?
 Yoshito: At least for ICU4J, I believe the API is public and stable.. so need a new API.
3:24 PM I will send my note for clarifying this.
 me: absolutely. in icu4c as well, getOffset() is @stable ICU 2.8
  i wasn't intending to propose to change an existing function
3:26 PM it could be a new overload, or more explicitly
getOffsetFromLocal(UDate date, UBool earlierTimeIfOverlap, ...)
 Yoshito: yeah, something like that.
3:27 PM me: thanks for being persistent in clarifying! :-)
 Yoshito: I think we do not need to worry about more than 2 iteration..
  I believe it have never happened in actual time zones.
3:28 PM me: right. that would require a time zone changing offsets more than once a day.
  more than once within an hour, actually

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